# Request: bibtex / org-roam-bibtex for morons

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**Created:** [December 21, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://org-roam.discourse.group/t/request-bibtex-org-roam-bibtex-for-morons/2910 "2022-12-21T15:47:29Z")\
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> [@Trevoke](#):
>
> What would a “bibliography note” looks like? What would a ORG\_ROAM\_REFS look like?

Here are the three files I will show as a basic example:

- **FILE1**. “bibliography note”
- **FILE2**. A normal org-roam note (org file)
- **FILE3**. .bib file (I guess you don’t need a sample, but just for completeness)

#### FILE1

The [relevant section of the user manual](https://www.orgroam.com/manual.html#Citations) has two examples of `roam_refs` for `org-cite`. I have just tried the first sample format for a file-level node:

```org
:properties:
:modified: 2022-12-22T123033
:ID: 2022-12-22T122907
:roam_refs: @ackoffDataWisdom1989
:end:
#+title: Ackoff Data to Wisdom
#+filetags: lit

[... my notes on this article continues ...]

```

#### FILE2

I then create another note (org file) that has the following in the body:

```org
This is the argument of [cite:@ackoffDataWisdom1989]...

```

The backlink of **FILE1** now shows this paragraph containing the citation. Note **FILE2** appears in the “Reflinks” section because of `roam_refs`.

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/orgroam/original/2X/3/3631c42b7049fc8d7f985a946348ff8bae331413.png)

#### FILE3

I have one file that has my very small collection of bib entries. The item cited above has this entry in it.

```bib
@article{ackoffDataWisdom1989,
  title = {From Data to Wisdom},
  author = {Ackoff, Russell L},
  year = {1989},
  journal = {Journal of applied systems analysis},
  volume = {16},
  number = {1},
  pages = {3--9},
  file = {/home/nobiot/snap/zotero-snap/common/Zotero/storage/WSH8FAZA/Ackoff - 1989 - From data to wisdom.pdf}
}

```

#### Aside

This is beyond showing the basic data I have, but related to what you wish to achieve overall:  
If you are not using Helm, and using Vertico, it might be easy to set up [Citar](https://github.com/emacs-citar/citar). There is some [documentation](https://github.com/emacs-citar/citar/wiki/Notes-configuration#citar-org-roam) how it might work with Org-roam and/or Org-roam-bibtex.

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