# Org-roam-bibtex and org-noter integration Problem **URL:** \ **Category:** Troubleshooting\ **Created:** [September 27, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://org-roam.discourse.group/t/org-roam-bibtex-and-org-noter-integration-problem/2072 "2021-09-27T13:20:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![prashantnag93](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@prashantnag93](https://org-roam.discourse.group/u/prashantnag93)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://org-roam.discourse.group/t/org-roam-bibtex-and-org-noter-integration-problem/2072/1 "2021-09-27T13:20:55Z")
Thank you @jethro and the Org-roam community for providing me a such a nice tool for my academic research. specially @nobiot for `org-transclusion `and @mshevchuk for `org-roam-bibtex` I have managed to install `org-roam V2`, `org-roam-bibtex` and `org-noter.` But when I create a note through a helm-bibtex and press F9 for edit-notes, I am able to create new notes file with the help of org-roam-capture-template. When I invoke the org-noter from the headline in the notes file it gives me an Error saying `Invalid or no document property found. Please specify document path`. If I open a PDF from helm-bibtex and invoke the org-noter from the pdf it creates a notes inside the one [notes.org](http://notes.org) file. But I want to create new file for the notes when invoking org-noter from PDF file. please help me. ---
**Author:** ![nobiot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/org-roam.discourse.group/nobiot/32/159_2.png) [@nobiot](https://org-roam.discourse.group/u/nobiot)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://org-roam.discourse.group/t/org-roam-bibtex-and-org-noter-integration-problem/2072/2 "2021-09-27T16:43:06Z")
I’m on late summer holidays with no laptop so forgive me for terse responses. Looking at your question, Org-roam and ORB are working. You are trying to somehow put Org-noter in the mix. A couple of comments: 1. Org-noter is not designed to natively work with Org-roam or ORB; it’s an independent package 2. Probably your Org-noter is working but your notes are not set up correctly for it to work 3. So… you need to learn how Org-noter works. For this, [this part of this discussion](https://org-roam.discourse.group/t/using-orb-and-org-noter-on-pdfs-of-book-chapters/1486/15) might help you My quick suggestion is this: 1. Try not to open Org-roam/ORB notes from PDF documents — it’s probably difficult to achieve (PDF → Org) 2. Add document property to the Org-roam notes (see the discussion linked above and Org-noter documentation) so that you can start Org-noter from them (Org → PDF) I think what you wish to achieve is 1. See my other response below… I would suggest to stick to 2. above. You can certainly try to code something for yourself, but I haven’t seen anyone reporting to have done it on this forum. ---
**Author:** ![nobiot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/org-roam.discourse.group/nobiot/32/159_2.png) [@nobiot](https://org-roam.discourse.group/u/nobiot)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://org-roam.discourse.group/t/org-roam-bibtex-and-org-noter-integration-problem/2072/3 "2021-09-27T16:50:03Z")
> [@prashantnag93](#): > > If I open a PDF from helm-bibtex and invoke the org-noter from the pdf it creates a notes inside the one [notes.org](http://notes.org) file. This is how Org-noter works. I haven’t seen anyone who has reported that they have achieved creating a new Org-roam/ORB note for each PDF document. It might be easier than I think… But I haven’t seen a ready-made config you can copy and paste. ---
**Author:** ![mshevchuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@mshevchuk](https://org-roam.discourse.group/u/mshevchuk)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://org-roam.discourse.group/t/org-roam-bibtex-and-org-noter-integration-problem/2072/4 "2021-09-28T08:02:19Z")
@prashantnag93 As far as I remember, one can specify a directory for Org-noter notes. So if one specifies there the Org-roam directory, or a directory where specifically ORB notes are kept, then this should work. It’ll be harder to achieve if multiple subdirectories are used. The Org-noter variable is `org-noter-notes-search-path`. It is a list, but I believe only the directory on top of the list is used when creating new notes. I’m not sure that one can use Org-roam templates without additional tweaking though. In the noter workflow, one typically creates a new note and then launches Org-noter from there to annotate a PDF.